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Cathy, I found it interesting that you choose the title of your diatribe to be ďDangerous Witchdoctoring.Ē Had you taken five minutes to really research vaccines you would have found out there is nothing closer to Ďwitchdoctoringí then the vaccines you tout to be life saving. Reading from the CDCís media and excipient list sounds more like witches brew than anything beneficial. Maybe in your next rant you could tell us how injecting a live or half dead virus cultured on monkey kidney tissue or bovine serum or rat brain or my personal favorite aborted fetal cells is somehow helpful to an immune system that no medical doctor on the planet understands.

You call parents selfish and medically illiterate? You are the pot calling the kettle black. Please get your flu shot this year. It contains three live viruses scraped from the throat of some sick personís phlegm in Asia then cultured on chicken eggs along with an added spermacide. Top that off with 25 micrograms of mercury and your good to go. Ever wonder why the flu shot comes out in October? Quick! Be the first in line! I think I see the witches stirring the pot now!

Wendy, I don't see your point, except to admit that you are ignorant about basic run-of-the-mill cell culture techniques. Ugh! Scraped from someone's throat! Chicken eggs! To be honest, I don't get the spermicide angle. (Quick - just how much IS 25 micrograms of mercury? You probably have ten thousand times more than that in a single filling in your mouth) You don't want to know how Jonas Salk obtained his original polio vaccine from Rhesus monkeys, but it saved 25 million lives. Maybe even yours.. If we want to slip back into a medical dark age, to fulfill some hysterical squeamishness, we will certainly suffer the consequences.

Texas Jew,

Wendy, I don't see your point, except to admit that you are ignorant about basic run-of-the-mill cell culture techniques.

How do you figure Iím ignorant? Virus is scraped from peopleís throats or a sick birdís throat or a pigís throat. How do you think they find the virus? Do you think it crawls up to the scientist's door and knocks? GeezÖÖ..Why donít you get out biology 101 and read a little.

Ugh! Scraped from someone's throat! Chicken eggs!
Yes itís grown in chicken eggs. Do you really not know this? Donít you remember when leukemia was so high in the population that the FDA asked Merck to please screen for avian leukemia in the MMR, Flu shots and yellow fever vaccines? In other words the vaccines made with eggs? Now itís written on the label of the vaccine Ďavian leucosis freeí they are so proud! Sorry about the people not getting the ones without bird leukemia.

To be honest, I don't get the spermicide angle.


Again, do you not know this is used in the vaccine to keep it clean? Take a minute and read the package insert! Why would you call someone ignorant when you donít even know the basics?

(Quick - just how much IS 25 micrograms of mercury?
Quick as I canÖ.its 20 more then the CDC thinks is safe if you weigh 110 lbs.

You probably have ten thousand times more than that in a single filling in your mouth)

I have no amalgams in my mouth. Iím not ignorant enough to think mercury three inches from my brain would be safe. Iíll bet you have a mouthful though!

You don't want to know how Jonas Salk obtained his original polio vaccine from Rhesus monkeys, but it saved 25 million lives. Maybe even yours..

I do know how he obtained it and it never saved my life. As a matter of fact it set me up to die early. The polio vaccine has 59 monkey viruses found so far by the new PCR-DNA machine and DR Michael Carbone. Herpes, cytomegalovirus, SV40 just to name a few. And you thought you got herpes from kissing! Its compliments of your polio vaccine! Just so you know cytomegalovirus virus is in 85% of colon cancers. Would you attribute that to your polio vaccine? Itís a cancer causing monkey virus given access to your organs by injection.

If we want to slip back into a medical dark age, to fulfill some hysterical squeamishness, we will certainly suffer the consequences.

We donít need to slip into the dark ages we are still in them. Look around. Seen any well people lately? How many hospitals are in your city? There are three in mine and I live in a small town. Injecting disease into your body and thinking its somehow helpful is ignorant.
Wendy Callahan | Email | Homepage | 10.03.05 - 4:30 pm | #

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Wendy; no one is really concerned with the medium for culturing vaccines. They arrive in a sterile state, ready to be used. People care about the results. The virtual eradication of polio, scarlet fever, whooping cough, diptheria, measles, mumps, rubella demonstrate their efficacy. Anti-vacciners simply accept the return of potentially fatal diseases for children in our midst. Not in my family.
leah | Email | Homepage | 10.04.05 - 9:58 am | #

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Leah wake up! If you don't want diseases to return quit injecting them into your body!
Do you not know live virus sheds?

In the old days scarlet fever was called diphtheria. When my daughter came down with it I realized duh I injected it into her 4 times with her DPT no wonder she came down with it!

You think these vaccines are sterile but they are not. That is why mercury is added to clean them up!There is nothing sterile about virus and bacteria.
Wendy | Email | Homepage | 10.04.05 - 8:10 pm | #

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Wendy; call UCLA's biogenetics lab. They'll explain it all for you!
leah | Email | Homepage | 10.05.05 - 9:33 am | #

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Why would I call them?
Wendy | Email | Homepage | 10.05.05 - 5:53 pm | #

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Wendy,

Scarlet fever is not diphtheria. Scarlet fever is caused by Group A streptococci. Diphtheria is caused by Corynebacterium diphtheriae.
Janet C | Email | Homepage | 10.06.05 - 9:46 am | #

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"Wendy; call UCLA's biogenetics lab. They'll explain it all for you!" "Why would I call them?"

So that they can explain it to you. D-uh!
odysseus | Email | Homepage | 10.06.05 - 9:49 am | #

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Wendy,

If you can't make a phone call, at least use Google. Sheesh.
Janet C | Email | Homepage | 10.06.05 - 9:52 am | #

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Vaccinations have all but eliminated Smallpox, Rubella, Chicken Pox and a host of other illnesses that used to be as common as colds. That's not to say that they're perfect. A few years back, I met a girl who'd contracted polio from the vaccination that she'd received as a child. It's about a one-in-a-million risk, but it does happen. Nothing is ever fool-proof, but you have to play the percentages. It's safer to vaccinate than not.
odysseus | Email | Homepage | 10.06.05 - 9:54 am | #

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When doctors only report the adverse events from vaccines 10% of the time according to the CDC, itís really hard to play percentages.

Diphtheria and Scarlet fever have the same symptoms so if its not cultured you don't know for sure. My peed would not culture because test cost too much.

So let me see if I have this straight you want me to call the biogenetics lab or google them to ask them what? How the immune system works? What happens when you inject toxic chemicals like mercury and live or half dead viruses into a child's lymphatic system? Or if there has EVER been a safety study done on any vaccine that kids havenít died in? I already know these answers. The answer is no. Vaccines are like a religion. You must have faith or believe they work because there certainly isnít any science behind them. Itís not a good plan to inject toxic substances into your child's body and think itís helpful to his/her immune system or that it magically makes you immune to disease. Unless of course that is your belief. I personally would not give live or half dead viruses access to my organs. The idea is to avoid disease not inject it in. That is my belief anyway.
Wendy | Email | Homepage | 10.06.05 - 2:04 pm | #

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Wendy, you are completely, ignorantly, literally delusional.
leah | Email | Homepage | 10.07.05 - 12:36 pm | #

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Leah since you are so smart why don't you tell me like it really is.....it should take you just a few minutes so please show me I'm wrong.
Wendy | Email | Homepage | 10.07.05 - 2:28 pm | #

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I know this is hard for you because there really isnít any science you can site. Let me see if I can make it any easier for you. Just try and finish this sentenceÖ.

I believe that injecting aluminum, formaldehyde, mercury, MSG, aborted fetal cells, RNA and DNA from diseased animal tissue along with a live/dead/half dead virus or bacteria at least 22 times is helpful to a babyís developing immune system of which science knows precious little about becauseÖÖ.

A. The government says itís a good idea and they always have our best interest at heart.
B. The CDC says its mandatory for our kids to have these vaccines and the fact that the same people that mandate vaccines work for the CDC and hold patents on vaccines is not a conflict of interest at all its just a mere coincidence.
C. I am ignorantly, literally delusional
Wendy | Email | Homepage | 10.08.05 - 7:54 am | #

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Where did everyone go? Off to get flu shots?
Wendy | Email | Homepage | 10.10.05 - 1:30 pm | #

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 The vaccine schedule contains 237 micrograms of mercury. Mercury is a potent neurotoxin and no amount injected is safe. It is plausible autism is caused by mercury poisoning. His pediatrician should have known better. After all if they are not there to protect our children with the simplest of decisions, they need to be removed from caring for children.

12:34:32 p.m. on July 1, 2006
WENDY CALLAHAN | 07.01.06 - 12:39 pm | #

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327 micrograms, again micrograms of mercury, that may be enough to damage a the CNS of a mosquito. But not a child. Wendy you really do not have a clue. In the future please cite double blind placebo controlled trials if you are going to post. Otherwise stop offering false information. Mercury's effect on the CNS is in a region of the brain called the basal ganglion where it can cause Parkinsonism. However most of the reported cases were seen in South American gold minners who recieved huge doses/exposure, well into the gram range. I suggest you google the name Robert Feldman MD, who was prior to his death last year considered the worlds most prominent neurotoxicologist. He was also my chairman, where I did my neurology training.

9:05:36 p.m. on July 1, 2006
FRANK CONIDI | 07.01.06 - 9:10 pm | #

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Gee Frank that is not what the CDC said about mercury. They say it's neurotoxic. Maybe they are wrong? Are you saying they are wrong Frank? I would love to be able to site double blind control studies but there aren't any. Maybe you would like to offer up your children for the experiment? So far no one is that stupid to test how much injected mercury will cause autism but maybe you want to do the study? We could find out just how many micrograms it takes to make your children autistic. My hypothesis? 237. So far 1 in 166 is autistic on that amount but we don't know every kid's toxic tipping point do we Frank? It doesn't take a medical degree to know that mercury is toxic. This is children Frank not men in a mine for God's sake. Oh and just a hint maybe you should check the thimerosal bottle DR it has a skull and crossbones on it. That usually means its toxic. Maybe you have a different interpretation you could share? Maybe you could show us all how injecting some of the most toxic substances on the planet along with RNA and DNA from diseased animal tissue and live/half dead virus is somehow helpful to a developing immune system you know nothing about? Love to see your studies Frank on how safe vaccines are next time you post. Here is a challenge, find a study done on any vaccine where there are no dead children in the result. That should keep you busy for a while.

10:13:49 p.m. on July 1, 2006
WENDY CALLAHAN | 07.01.06 - 10:18 pm | #

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Get a grip Wendy. You can get mercury poisioning from fish. I also suggest you revisit the CDC site and review all the info on the topic before you try to out wit an educated man. The reason these dieases aren't hurting many children today is because we have been vaccinating our kids against them. Polio for example. My sister who is three years older had the smallpox vaccine, but they quit giving it before I was born. I wish I had been vaccinated against smallpox. Ya now what I mean?

1:52:14 a.m. on July 2, 2006
DARLA BUTLER | 07.02.06 - 1:57 am | #

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Darla, you are right. You can get mercury poisoning from fish. Each can has about 17 mcgs. That is why the CDC issued the warning. Childhood vaccines contain 237 up to the 18 month shot. If you talk to a nice Dr there named Raymond Strikas he will tell you 5 mcgs is safe if you weigh 110lbs. As long as your baby weighs that much he/she will be fine. Maybe you should do some research as to why diseases arent hurting children anymore before you decide its because the diseases are now injected inside children. There is no science behind vaccination. Its a faith and you a believer. I'm willing to bet your 'educated man' has never in his life read a package insert to a vaccine. They are not taught that in medical school. They are taught to follow protocol and never think outside the box or the AMA will not back them when there is a problem. He will never see the danger of injecting kids with mercury it would be to costly. You should thank God you didn't get the smallpox vaccine. It was filthy and full of cow virus. One being syphilis. Don't worry though if you still want that shot, the government is working on getting you one and making it part of homeland security. You will be forced to take it or spend time in jail. So roll up your sleeves and get in line!

10:30:01 a.m. on July 2, 2006
WENDY CALLAHAN | 07.02.06 - 10:35 am | #